It is up to interpretation and has such a grey area which is what worries me. There has been no in depth details on what "suspect" actually is which could very well mean security status.

The very fact that sentries would be able to break anything up to and including a triage carrier in 5 minutes makes this even more unacceptable.

So they essentially replaced aggression timers with a blanket reasoning to shoot you. Interesting how they thought this would bring more people to low sec. Missioners sure but combat wise? Hardly.

Oh the Pirate tears, delicious :)

Dohoho http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Gillia+Winddancer

Number one you are assuming all fights in Low Sec are off gates which is not true.

Number two you assume Pirates only fight on gates because it is either easier or we're lazy.

Number three you run your mouth without any sort of evidence pointing to what other mechanics are equally pressing besides breaking an entire region of space in Eve. Also your tone is rather rude and annoying.

Number four your "extensive" combat knowledge seems to be lacking.

What does this mean? Essentially it is led up to interpretation but anyone "suspect" hence anyone with negative sec status will essentially be fired upon in low sec. GCC no longer becomes applicable and fights on gates now will be reduced to under 5 minutes or until all aggressor's are destroyed.

NO one ever puts a capital on a gate. And if they do it's because their stupid and will end up dying anyways.

Play Guild Wars 2?

Seriously tho..

fix negative rep first.. Give us pirates a way to regain our sec standing without having to grind 100s of rats in low/0.0 otherwise your screwing over a large part of the pvp population...

Stop getting low sec status then? go do real pvp in null instead of ganking defenseless industrials.

Why would you want to gain sec status? *psst* Make an alt account for all your carebear needs!

AHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Oh wait Let me catch my breath and change my drawers... Oh lord get a load of this guy! Quick! Someone get this man a bubble and a Titan he can bridge on!

Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.

Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.

Quoting myself. This is a spitball idea that we shared with the CSM, not a final design.

1. A cookie cutter fitting vomited out via alliance mail for a certain setup that even the most mundane player could grasp.

2. Bookmarks leading to a Titan for transport. How do we do DAT!? One may ask. Just right click and JUMP!

3. Said "skillful" pilot put's his mettle to the test (and his internet connection) as lag ensues creating an exciting experience only to be witnessed in glorious combat with 300 of his closest comrades at his back. How's that for individual performance eh?

4. Said pilot is now breathing hard as his finger twitches over his keyboard waiting for the FC to give that one glorious command. That one order to then unleash his fury and might against opponents that have not seen such finesse!

5. His bruised and beaten F1 key is suddenly pressed as his full potential is unleashed in a torrent of hellish destruction only seen in Null Sec!

6. As the dust clears and all said lemmings (cough) i mean pilots converge upon one another grinning with smeared Frito's on their fingers they reap the spoils and return glorious for no other pilots could match the SKILL and FURY of Null sec.

same old bottle of *I don't want risk*

NO one ever puts a capital on a gate. And if they do it's because their stupid and will end up dying anyways.

I never even thought about the inability to ransom someone. Well this actually DOES kill Piracy in it's truest form.....

Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.

I couldn't agree more. I do not kill those whom I've ransomed but that doesn't stop others from doing so. Call me old fashioned but I remember the rush I got the first time I saw my wallet flash after i opened chat with my victim. Sadly Piracy in its truest form has fallen to the wayside to be replaced by with hotdrops, titan bridges and the like. Pirates have adapted null sec tactics though be it on a smaller scale to be effective.

And who's to say we don't already run our alliance like the mafia providing protection for a price. To be frank I sort of wish they would remove killmails completely. I think im going to bring this up to other members simply because this is how I've always been as a pirate. Its not all about kills. The psychological impact you have on other is what makes it interesting.

Perhaps it would be amusing to take on our "owners?"

SIGNED.....WITH AN EMPHASIS ON THAT

Also if Eve is a sandbox why is ccp trying to take away from that mechanic??? Honestly if people like low sec and aren't complaining then wy change it? Furthermore the game isn't about making it easier its about willpower, strength, and determination. The best quote from EVEONLINE I have ever heard is Wow gives you a cookie for each of your accomplishments...EVEONLINE takes your cookie eats it in front of you and laughs at you for brining one in the first place...

Here is an example of a guy that thinks a sentry change would magically create something that already exists. After this change he still wouldn't go near low sec and I'll prove it to you.

I have a small low sec pocket under decent control with a level 4 agent, lucrative belts for mining and very nice exploration sites. I can provide you with an intel channel, light blue status, and a custom scarebear guide to help insure your safety. The cost is 100mil a month per character. I'll wait for all the mails to pour in from interested carebears....

The minute I tell them they need to watch local, use d-scan and report intel they think I'm ripping them off because we can never make it a 100% brainless activity like high sec and they will need to be at the keyboard 100% when in space. They don't understand they are just paying for "protection"....FROM US not every single person that enters local. Wanna pay for that? No? Why?

Ransoms? How many have you paid? 9 1/2 times out of 10 when you offer a ransom you're promptly told to F*UCK OFF. While I can understand this mindset we're not talking about a ransom mechanic being added to escrow money that only gets released when the point drops.

How is pandering to those who make CCP bend their ear to make them more powerful "excellence"? I sure as **** didn't "vote" for half of the puppets on the CSM and my views certainly are not represented.

No they just rig the CSM and keep CCP devs in their pocket for their advantage.... The gutting of small gang pvp should prove this.

Oh dear me. Are we back to the point that gates themselves are the problem once again? Who would have guessed?

This change kills roaming gangs as much as static gatecamps. MANY average engagements can last several minutes, these changes would kill the interest of anyone engaging on a fight on a gate at all. Where do you expect all this PvP to occur? Have you seen an abundance of ships hanging out in low sec asteroid belts or planetside?

Anyone that lives and PvP's in low sec. Remember - you're talking to a Faction Warfare pilot. One of the major appeals to Faction Warfare is the lack of gate fire interfering with our PvP. I don't have a ton of sympathy with those that feel that gate camps ruin their ability to navigate low sec, sentry fire does nothing to protect me in my travels, hauling, or PvP roams. I'd rather we teach pilots the skills they need to survive out here than simply make low sec safer because people haven't figured out how to play the game.

The bottom line is, low sec is still fight club. People come out here to slug the crap out of each other. Sure, there's mining, and anomalies, but these activities are secondary to Piracy and FW as the primary appeal. If you want to revitalize low sec, you support and promote the PvP culture, plain and simple.

We are when said gates can kill a Triage Carrier in under 5 minutes. Don't you read or is your ability to comprehend fifteen pages of the reiterated points as to why we are arguing this in the first place tiresome?

Remove any and all big alliance representatives from CSM to prove to me you don't influence how this game will be played by others.

Focus resources into other elements of the game that are neglected and have long been ignored. Reinvigorate dying elements of game play to further enrich and enhance a players experience in Eve.

Certainly these are just my views. But seeing as I've sat and watched Eve morph into this twisted mass of elitism masked by "equal representation" my biggest fear is the game I have come to know and love will altogether vanish in a myriad of inflation, control, manipulation, and stagnation.

So 5 titans to clear the gate for easy camping action?

I've only seen a Moros once off a Low Sec gate and we just about killed it. No serious Pirate is going to risk a capital off a gate with titan bridge's and the like around.

Or....just do as we do now and refrain from using capital period?

Alright I normally don't get involved in the gripe fests that surround game mechanics. Personally I've played Eve off and on since 2004 with a few breaks here and there and seen many changes come to New Eden. Some for the better some for worse, but overall I must hand it to CCP they've kept me coming back for more with new opportunities and changes.

Eve to me has always basically been be whatever you want. Want to fight for a faction? Done. Want to make billions or risk losing it all in a Wormhole? Done. Research? Done. Be part of some conglomerate of null sec knuckleheads (grin) Done.

Myself Piracy has always been a dark lust. Preying upon those fool enough to step into the depths of unlawful space has been one of the main reasons why I love this game. Low sec to me has always been home. It's also where I have made some very good friends and seen some of the brightest players in Eve come and go over the years.

Yet today the announcement by CCP Greyscale stating Sentry Gun changes has me more than worried. This move could potentially destroy what is left of any activity in Low Sec. We all know the saying: Low Sec is dead. Why do you ask? Much of the traffic that was coming into low sec was due profit that was still viable a few years back.

Now with the major null sec alliances keeping a vice grip on any and everything it has shown that low sec is nothing but old news except sadly for systems you pass through on your way to null or back into high sec. For those of us still around it's still home.

Here is what was quoted by CCP Greyscale in the minutes released yesterday:

CSM minutes wrote:
CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.


What does this mean? Essentially it is led up to interpretation but anyone "suspect" hence anyone with negative sec status will essentially be fired upon in low sec. GCC no longer becomes applicable and fights on gates now will be reduced to under 5 minutes or until all aggressor's are destroyed.

This also means that while traveling through Low Sec even without GCC someone would potentially be fired upon. This also means that Sentries will simply be untankable even with different persons sharing the aggression during a fight.

It effectively stops any combat after 5 minutes for the aggressor and further kills any sort of decent fight that may be had off a gate except for a quick gank and run which really isn't a decent fight anyways,

I personally feel this is a tremendous mistake not only due to Sentry mechanics, but how such mechanics will force players OUT of Low Sec permanently to either high sec or for many of us the unappealing systems in Null.

I understand some here may only see this in terms of Gatecamps. However it not only effects camps but the very combat mechanics that will now have to be dealt with in Low Sec putting anyone with low security status at a dismal disadvantage during a fight which would eventually end in a loss after 4 to 5 minutes regardless.

With such mechanics in place it has already been discussed by myself and others in my alliance that if such changes were indeed implemented we'd have no desire to move out to Null to conform and would most likely unsubscribe.

Many of us who live in Low Sec have played this game for far too long to see the last bit of what makes this game fun to us essentially twisted and contorted into a region that will now truly be "dead".

I beseech CCP Greyscale and others to rethink these mechanics not only for the players who call Low Sec home, but also in regards to the future limited combat in Low Sec which would thus make it truly unfavorable and unwanted.

If these changes do go into effect I for one will be unsubscribing all three of my accounts and simply moving on. It's not worth my time and money to be forced into regions of Eve I feel are hardly fun or appealing.

Please sign below if you agree.

"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

Sigh.... Have you not read over fifteen pages worth of information? It could be put into that context however the MAIN concern is the gate guns being able to wipe even a Triage Carrier off the field within a mere five minutes of agression thus ending any prolonged engagements.

FYI that little tidbit was also in the minutes.

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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.

You really should try to use more than 5% of that grey matter rattling around inside your head. If you had read any of the points outlined and reiterated it has little to nothing to do with "camps." If anything it would be a detriment and would encourage even more cheap tactics for others to catch prey quickly then leave.

If all you desire is sniping fleets with fast interceptor tackle to snag targets and have zero true committed engagements be my guest. You clearly are talking out your ass.

The only reason pirates can roam around with impunity is because other players don't kill them. There are no repercussions whatsoever to killing a pirate. It's a PvP game, you want pirates to have a rough time of it, nothing's stopping you from making it so, Mr. Sulu.

Ahahahaha.... Oh plz concord save me!

Who's they? BTW not all us Pirates are "crybabies" and not all our fights are due to camps. Have a look for yourself. Tonight was quite fun

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17162838 (yummy)

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17161887 (meh)

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17162189 (juicy!)

What are you sorry for? At least your opinion is an honest one just not valid. How many other irons in the fire did other people in FLASHY have besides Piracy? Quite a few to be honest. Whenever I'd log it would either be people doing something else thus can't roam or it was at odd times due to work. So why not snag a few easy things then head to sleep?

I'll admit my time in FLASHY although brief enlightened me to the plight of Low Sec. Unless you have dedicated people to bust some ass hardly anything will get done and people won't be motivated. Such was the issues with FLASHY. Well that and being on call 24/7 real life does come first right?

But I digress. I won't sit here and sling mud at you calling you unskilled (btw what is Eve now Call Of Duty?) and I won't bullshit my way out of anything. Yes camping was one of my main ways of racking up kills while in FLASHY but what did you expect?

Hell there were so few of us online at a given time it's about all people could do. Unless of course you wanted to run around in a solo frig or something of that nature. And if you asked others for a roam it was nothing but excuses or bad timing.

I will say though my time with Fusion has led to some GREAT ops, roams, etc and luckily showed me that low sec luckily isn't (quite) dead.

Now onto the issue at hand with why you think these changes good. Let me ask you how many decent fights have you had where such fights were off a gate? A random number perhaps? 35? 70?

My point being is that with these changes implemented that number will plummet to ZERO. Why? because no one can sustain 5 minutes of sentry aggression enough to kill a triaged carrier and no one would dare to risk it.

Instead you'll have more of these "skillless" gate camps with alpha Tornado's and Interceptor's catching anything that moves.

These changes Oki, will not only strangle any true fights to be had off gate they sure as hell do not provide an adequate solution to the traffic issues with Low Sec as a whole.

But that's right I'm Sh*# at small gang warfare correct?

Awww thats cute, someone with a **** pvp record calling tara **** at pvp.

Taras
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=4006

Hannibals
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=190401

Seriously, get a few more kills under your belt before you start calling someone **** at pvp. You havent even broken 200 kills. Pathetic.

CCP's been backpedaling away from just about everything it's said about Crimewatch 2.0.

CONCORD is the police of EVE.
CONCORD doesn't do anything about Can Flipping/Theft
Therefore, Can Flipping/Theft are not Crimes in EVE.

Wikipedia's definition of Crime:
"Crime is the breach of rules or laws for which some governing authority (via mechanisms such as legal systems) can ultimately prescribe a conviction. "

Let's see, Can Flipping may be a breach of rules or laws, but no governing authority can prescribe a conviction (as represented by a Sec Status hit or CONCORDing), therefore, it is not a crime in the EVE universe.

Even if Crimewatch 2.0 were implemented in the dumbass way it's been proposed, can flipping/theft would not be a crime.

*bangs head* Please.....Stop...Posting....In ...My ...Thread... You ...Moron....

Jesus H. Christ it's like reading something a 4th grader put on construction paper for their Mother... Don't eat too much glue Billy.

Quoted for truth.

Changes to sentries, and flag mechanics, will seperate the crap PVPer from the good. The Pro-scanning, "hunting you down and killing you" elite, from the "sitting on a gate blasting everything" noobs, and the "can-flipping and suicide ganking" cowards. All those crappy pvp-wannabies threatening to unsub, please, go ahead. Your selfish flow of easy kills have finally been recognised as something that is harming eve's continued growth and development. Your quest for easy, risk-free kills has made low-sec a wasteland.

Eve is not a game where things are delivered on a silver platter. I aplaud the real PVPers, confident and experienced enough to adapt to these changes, and continue to own all that stand before them. They have already learned how to actually PVP. They recognise the duel benifits on increased low-sec traffic, and are excited to see this wasteland become viable again. They want people in low-sec, they want to see them explode. They aren't crying about the fact that they won't be able to shoot them the moment the step through the door. They're aren't crying that their easy risk-free methods and one-sided fights are about to disappear. They know they're is going to be more targets, and they know how to find them.

The only people crying are the skill-less players that are used to their risk-free ganks, and cowardly camps. If their target didn't just come to them, as usuall, then they wouldn't have a clue what to do. Other than whine and unsub of course.